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HawkofStorms · Jul 03, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

/signed
@ the OP... the reccent "impartial" poll on this site showed UB was the least popular of all of a.net reccent design decesions... with less then 35% approval rating.

All the qqers insulting the OP are just confused because they aren't used to posts with good grammer and logical reasoning. 90% of guru users can only comprehend posts going along the lines of "OMGZ this is the SUX... change this A>NET please because its my 1st ammendment right to free speech!a@!"

Skye Marin · Jul 03, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

We need new board auto-censor options:

"Open Letter" --> Another QQ

"Ruin the game economy" --> Make my farms sell for less, and let folks who aren't me get stuff I've earned.

"Player Elitism" --> I want to join a PuG, but not a PuG that knows what it needs to beat an area efficiently.

"QFT" --> "That's what she said!"

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

QFT. It's like the new trend now, right?

@ OP: We all hate Ursan. You're not really saying/suggesting anything new.

Then let me ask something new.

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

If we hate gas prices rising, why do we continue to fill up our tanks? BECAUSE, for most of us, driving is a necessity.

GW is NOT a necessity. And before anyone tries the "quit playing then" argument, I say no, I will not quit playing, I paid for the product just as much as you did, and I have just as much right as anyone else to have my opinion be heard. Granted, my opinion falls in line with many other peoples', and has been stated before, NUMEROUS times. However, my intent is to let other players know that something CAN be done about this, as was proven with the SF nerf. It may not be the most noble way of addressing the problem (complaining till we get our way) but, its quick and apparently effective... just like Ursanway. Telling me, or anyone else that we can't voice our opinions and hope that they reach the right ears is hypocritical. Will everyone telling me to quit QQ-ing stop using UB? Probably not.

So to all of you who telling me to QQ: If you don't like it, don't read or respond to my posts. If you are adamant that UB be left alone, write your own open letter, because, trust me, I'm not the only one who noticed that ANET WILL listen if there are enough voices talking.

romeus petrus · Jul 03, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

/SF and Ursan are not relevant, one was used extensively as a solo farm build, and the other is used extensively in team builds which is exactly what it's intended to be.

/close

Rakim B · Jul 03, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

I agree with you entirely, but anet already knows about it and they said they are discussing it. I just hope they tell us when they come to a decision IF(I said if, not that I don't want it to be) they decide not to nerf it so people know to stop posting about it.

edit: I used ppl instead of people...I am a scrub

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

/SF and Ursan are not relevant, one was used extensively as a solo farm build, and the other is used extensively in team builds which is exactly what it's intended to be.

/close

Ursan is also used as a team FARMING build. In the "elite" areas of the game (UW, FoW, DoA, etc.) Ursan teams run together to quickly, efficiently rack up loot, not because they ALL enjoy beating DoA again.

rick1027 · Jul 03, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

well i hate to say your gonna get all the same answers as when there was a call for the nerfing of sh. the don't use it if you don't like it and etc, which in my opinion aren't real answers they should say don't touch something that i like instead .I personally don't use ursan and i don't like it and refuse to use it. i think if you nerf this you might as well nerf b/p just because it also made some areas easier i.e. tombs urgozs to name a few. so i'm gonna go with the /unsign we just need to find better players to play with in areas such as doa

Meat Axe · Jul 03, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Well, all I have to say on this matter is this: On the one hand, I see your point. Ursan is a little bit overpowered, and does make the game easier. On the other hand, it introduces neutrality amongst to professions, so now anyone can do DoA or the other elite areas that groups used to only allow warriors, monks and elementalists in (I'm choosing to ignore the idiot PuGs that don't accept any Ursan that isn't a warrior. It was hilariously shocking when I first heard that some people actually have that attitude).

I play a ritualist. Although I've never been to DoA with her, I can guarantee that it would be more trouble than it's worth to try and find a non-ursan group that will actually accept me. So, although there are some definite downsides to Ursan, there is one, pretty big upside that makes me think it should stay. There is always a choice. As others have mentioned, you can always choose to run a different team build.

Maybe if it was nerfed it in such a way that it would be on par with some of the other team builds, so that people without a warrior, elementalist, or monk could still get in teams, but it would also mean that there is more incentive to run more creative builds again. I honestly don't know how that would work, though.

toastgodsupreme · Jul 03, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

Ursan sells EOTN.

SF does not sell Factions.

Why do you think it's been left as is for so long?

Regardless, this thread needs to go away. Along with all the other threads begging for nerfs for UB.

The devs even stated it was being watched. There's no point in this thread or the other "OMG LETS NERF UB".

It's like telling a taxi driver where to go when you and all the other passengers have already told him 20 times each. He's gonna get annoyed eventually.

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

@ Meat Axe: I can understand where you come from. My main character is a mesmer... Not the most DoA friendly profession. However, My guild leader (a necro) and I have H/H'ed the whole thing. Yes, it was hard. Yes, it was time consuming. No, I'll probably never do it again. BUT, it can be done.

@ Toast:
1. With the coming update that makes the Hall of Monuments account based, ANET doesn't need Ursan to sell EotN.

2.For a thread you want closed, you sure are reading and replying a whole lot...

3. If my friends and I have told the taxi driver where to go 20 times each, AND already paid for the trip, but he's still reading the street guide and not driving yet, we have every right to continue complaining. And none of the "get another taxi" crap please, I don't want another taxi, I already PAID for this one.

Torabo · Jul 03, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

It's like telling a taxi driver where to go when you and all the other passengers have already told him 20 times each. He's gonna get annoyed eventually.

Nah, i'd say its more like complaining that you don't like certain dishes they bring out at a buffet.

Every customer is complaining about some dish in some way, all for different reasons.

It'd suck if the chef makes the dishes taste a certain way just because some customers scream the loudest.

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Torabo

Nah, i'd say its more like complaining that you don't like certain dishes they bring out at a buffet.

Every customer is complaining about some dish in some way, all for different reasons.

It'd suck if the chef makes the dishes taste a certain way just because some customers scream the loudest.

But if LOTS of customers are complaining about one specific dish, you either remove that dish, change the dish, or fire the chef.

Obviously, this is not a case where the chef needs to be fired, but something needs to be done about the food.

Kanyatta · Jul 03, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

While we're at this old news of everyone hating Ursan, did you guys hear!!! WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!

Torabo · Jul 03, 2008, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

But if LOTS of customers are complaining about one specific dish, you either remove that dish, change the dish, or fire the chef.

Obviously, this is not a case where the chef needs to be fired, but something needs to be done about the food.

Based on the number of A/E in ToA, and the number of people in game I actually see complain about SF.... where do you get the 'LOTS of customers'?

Unless you can manage to get a poll of all players in the game, there is no way to get a true statics of how many people want something.

The equivalent comparison in the example I gave would just be just as I said, those who scream the loudest, as those who enjoy the dishes are quietly enjoying the dishes. You do not determine if a dish is bad by the loudness of the complains, but rather by the number of people quietly enjoying said dish.

And to be frank, _my_ opinion on what the general consensus on the SF nerf is that, they don't even know about the SF farm to begin with. The majority of players (based on _my_ random pull-out-of-hat-opinion) don't bother checking on forums for the latest farming build, or to bother QQ'n about nerfs/buffs.

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by Torabo

Based on the number of A/E in ToA, and the number of people in game I actually see complain about SF.... where do you get the 'LOTS of customers'?

Unless you can manage to get a poll of all players in the game, there is no way to get a true statics of how many people want something.

The equivalent comparison in the example I gave would just be just as I said, those who scream the loudest, as those who enjoy the dishes are quietly enjoying the dishes. You do not determine if a dish is bad by the loudness of the complains, but rather by the number of people quietly enjoying said dish.

And to be frank, _my_ opinion on what the general consensus on the SF nerf is that, they don't even know about the SF farm to begin with. The majority of players (based on _my_ random pull-out-of-hat-opinion) don't bother checking on forums for the latest farming build, or to bother QQ'n about nerfs/buffs.

People weren't complaining about SF because it was SF, they were complaining because ecto prices dropped.

And regarding quietly enjoying your dish: if someone else is screaming about that dish, are you gonna just sit there and let them ruin your meal by getting the dish changed? I'm not. I will not sit back quietly and let my meal be ruined by the dish being horrible either. As I stated before, if you want Ursan left alone, I suggest that you start your own initiative to keep it. We saw today that ANET will listen to the players, regardless of the ACTUAL percentages of people complaining about SF.

Skye Marin · Jul 03, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

If you hate anchovies, you're wrong, because anchovies are awesome. :P

(See what I did there?)

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Skye Marin

If you hate anchovies, you're wrong, because anchovies are awesome. :P

(See what I did there?)

That would have been clever, except this entire time I have avoided saying that anyone else was wrong. As a matter of fact, I have encouraged everyone that disagrees with me to pursue their agendas as well.

MirkoTeran · Jul 03, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

/signed as it needs to be nerfed. Hard.

Hyper.nl · Jul 03, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

I think we should nerf open letters.

/Signed for truth

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 03, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Then let me ask something new.

If we all hate UB, why do we continue to be apathetic about?

What forums are you reading??? Those of you who hate UB have been quite vocal about it on these forums and elsewhere about how it has "ruined the game," "destroyed the economy." etc. Those that love UB have been less vocal, but there has been a fair representation of their views as well. As for me, I'm apathetic. I can take it or leave it, which I do.